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Race for the Place
(Horse Racing)
Welcome to the ‘Race for the Place’ test.
A method based around Laying in the place market of Horse racing on the exchanges.
The night before Les will send over an 1 hour time frame from when selections will be posted for the next day.
The test is looking to Lay a maximum of two selections per day but only if the first one loses.
BET INSTRUCTIONS:
We Lay to WIN ‘1’ point on the first given selection, if that loses we look to RECOVER 50% of that lost stake on the second selection. If that also loses we take the loss for the day and move on. If the first one wins we are finished for the day as we would have made our ‘1’ point profit.
Example (Using a £10 Lay);
Horse A – Price 2.50:
We Lay for £10 giving a liability of £15 @2.50. If it wins (meaning it’s unplaced) we bank the £10 profit (minus Betfair comm’s). If it loses (meaning it gets placed) we look to recover 50% on Horse B which is £7.50p.
Horse B – Price 2.30:
We simply Lay for £7.50p at the price offered. If it wins we have recovered 50% of our lost £15 liability from Horse A. If Horse B also loses (meaning it to gets placed) we take the loss and begin again the next day.
Betting Bank Advised: 40 points.
Added Tweak:
If the first selection odds are UNDER 2.30 and it loses we recover FULL lost stake on the second selection. If the first selection odds are OVER 2.30 and it loses we recover 50% from second selection.
Selections will appear below…
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Friday 1st December (Start) – Selection will appear between 12-1pm
Dusky Legend – 3.00 – WON +0.95pts (We now finish betting for the day as target made. Profit calculated after Betfair Comm’s of 5%)
RESULT:
Daily Profit/Loss: +0.95pts
Month 1: +0.95pts
Total P/L: +0.95
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Saturday 2nd December – Selection will appear between 12-1pm
Point The Way: 2.82 – WON +0.95pts
RESULT:
Daily Profit/Loss: +0.95pts
Month 1: +1.90pts
Total P/L: +1.90pts
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Sunday 03rd December – Selections will be between 11:30 – 12:30pm
Today’s selections
Month 1: +2.85pts
Total P/L: +2.85pts
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Monday 04th December – Selections will be between 12 – 1pm
Daily Profit/Loss: +0.95pts
Month 1: +3.80pts
Total P/L: +3.80pts
***See Above For Bet Instructions***
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Tuesday 05th December – Selections will be between 12 – 1pm
(Apologies i had trouble updating page today so selections may have come through close to the off. In normal circumstances selections should be posted around 45-50 minutes before the off and within the time frame shown).
Daily Profit/Loss: +0.95pts
Month 1: +4.75pts
Total P/L: +4.75pts
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Wednesday 06th December – Selections will be between 12.10 – 1.10pm
Daily Profit/Loss: +0.95pts
Month 1: +5.70pts
Total P/L: +5.70pts
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Thursday 07th December – Selections will be between 12.10 – 1.10pm
Daily Profit/Loss: +0.95pts
Month 1: +6.65pts
Total P/L: +6.65pts
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Friday 08th December – Selections will be between 12.25 – 1.25pm
Flaming Charmer – SP – WON +0.95pts
RESULT:
Daily Profit/Loss: +0.95pts
Month 1: +7.60pts
Total P/L: +7.60pts
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Saturday 09th December – Selection will appear between 11 – 12pm
Ut Majeur Aulmes – SP – Non runner
RESULT:
Daily Profit/Loss: -3.05pts
Month 1: +4.55pts
Total P/L: +4.55pts
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Sunday 10th December – Selection will appear between 11.30 – 12.30pm
Today’s Selections:
Daily Profit/Loss: +0.95pts
Month 1: +5.50pts
Total P/L: +5.50pts
Monday 11th December
No bets tomorrow due to limited races
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Tuesday 12th December – Selection will appear between 12 – 1pm
No Selections Today
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Wednesday 13th December
No Selections Today
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Thursday 14th December – Selection will appear between 12 – 1pm
RESULT:
Daily Profit/Loss: +0.95pts
Month 1: +6.45pts
Total P/L: +6.45pts
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Friday 15th – Selections will appear between 11.30 -12.30pm
Trick Shot Jenny – SP – WON +1.46
RESULT:
Daily Profit/Loss: -1.46pts
Month 1: +4.99pts
Total P/L: +4.99pts
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Saturday 16th – Selections will appear between 10 -11am
Stamp Your Feet – SP – Lost 0.26pts
RESULT:
Daily Profit/Loss: -0.75pts
Month 1: +4.24pts
Total P/L: +4.24pts
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Please Note: We are going to record results in 2 ways. 1). Stopping at a 6pts profit and then beginning again next month once reached 2). Carrying on after 6pts
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Sunday 17th December – Selections will appear between 12 – 1pm
Call It Magic – SP Won +0.50pt
RESULT:
Daily Profit/Loss: -0.50pts
Month 1: +3.74pts
Total P/L: +3.74pts
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Please Note: From heron all selections will be posted between 11.30 – 12.30pm
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Monday 18th December
Talk of the south – WON +0.95pts
RESULT:
Daily Profit/Loss: +0.95pts
Month 1: +4.69pts
Total P/L: +4.69pts
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Tuesday 19th December
Today’s selections
Princeton Royale – SP – WON +0.95pts
RESULT:
Daily Profit/Loss: +0.95pts
Month 1: +5.64pts
Total P/L: +5.64pts
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Wednesday 20th December
Nicolas Chauvin – SP – WON +0.95pts
RESULT:
Daily Profit/Loss: +0.95pts
Month 1: +6.59pts
Total P/L: +6.59pts
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Thursday 21st December
Jack of Diamonds – SP – Lost -0.45
RESULT:
(USING PROFIT CAP)
Month 1: +6.59pts
Total P/L: +6.59pts (Monthly Profit Cap reached – new months starts on Jan 1st)
IF CARRYING ON PASSED THE PROFIT CAP
Month 1: +5.32pts
Total P/L: +5.32pts
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Friday 22nd December
RESULT:
(USING PROFIT CAP)
Month 1: +6.59pts
Total P/L: +6.59pts (Monthly Profit Cap reached – new months starts on Jan 1st)
IF CARRYING ON PASSED THE PROFIT CAP
Month 1: +6.27pts
Total P/L: +6.27pts
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Saturday 23rd December
Today’s selections
Chti Balko – SP – Lost-1.18
RESULT:
(USING PROFIT CAP)
Month 1: +6.59pts
Total P/L: +6.59pts (Monthly Profit Cap reached – new months starts on Jan 1st)
(IF CARRYING ON PASSED THE PROFIT CAP)
Month 1: +3.09pts
Total P/L: +3.09pts
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NO RACING NOW UNTIL 26TH DECEMBER – HAPPY CHRISTMAS!
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Tuesday 26th December
Windsor Cross – SP – WON +0.95pts
RESULT:
(USING PROFIT CAP)
Month 1: +6.59pts
Total P/L: +6.59pts (Monthly Profit Cap reached – new months starts on Jan 1st)
(IF CARRYING ON PASSED THE PROFIT CAP)
Month 1: +4.04pts
Total P/L: +4.04pts
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Wednesday 27th December
Movie Legend – SP – WON! +0.95pts
RESULT:
(USING PROFIT CAP)
Month 1: +6.59pts
Total P/L: +6.59pts (Monthly Profit Cap reached – new months starts on Jan 1st)
(IF CARRYING ON PASSED THE PROFIT CAP)
Month 1: +5.04pts
Total P/L: +5.04pts
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Thursday 28th December
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Friday 29th DecemberNo Selections Today
RESULT:
(USING PROFIT CAP)
Month 1: +6.59pts
Total P/L: +6.59pts (Monthly Profit Cap reached – new months starts on Jan 1st)
(IF CARRYING ON PASSED THE PROFIT CAP)
Month 1: +5.99pts
Total P/L: +5.99pts
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Saturday 30th December
Glimpse of Gold – SP – WON +0.95pts
RESULT:
(USING PROFIT CAP)
Month 1: +6.59pts
Total P/L: +6.59pts (Monthly Profit Cap reached – new months starts on Jan 1st)
(IF CARRYING ON PASSED THE PROFIT CAP)
Month 1: +6.94pts
Total P/L: +6.94pts
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Sunday 31st DecemberNo Selections Today
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL READERS – PLENTY TO COME IN 2018!
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Monday 1st January 2018**Please note a new month for those following the ‘Stop At 6pt Monthly Profit Cap)Today’s selections
Ramonex – Lost -0.93
RESULT:
(USING 6pt PROFIT CAP)
Daily Profit/Loss: -2.38pts
Month 2: -2.38pts
Total P/L: -2.38pts
(IF CARRYING ON PASSED THE PROFIT CAP)
Month 2: -2.38pts
Total P/L: -2.38pts
Month 1 +6.94pts (By carrying on)
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Tuesday 2nd January
RESULT:
(USING 6pt PROFIT CAP)
Daily Profit/Loss: +0.95pts
Month 2: -1.43pts
Total P/L: -1.43pts
(IF CARRYING ON PASSED THE PROFIT CAP)
Month 2: -1.43pts
Total P/L: -1.43pts
Month 1 +6.94pts (By carrying on)
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Wednesday 03rd January
Daisy De Sivola – SP – WON +0.95pts
RESULT: (USING 6pt PROFIT CAP)
Daily Profit/Loss: +0.95pts
Month 2 Total P/L: -0.48pts
Month 2 Total P/L: -0.48pts
PAST RESULTS:
Month 1 +6.94pts Profit (By carrying on)
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Thursday 04th January
Alf n Dor – SP – WON +0.95pts
RESULT: (USING 6pt PROFIT CAP)
Daily Profit/Loss: +0.95pts
Month 2 Total P/L: +0.47pts
Month 2 Total P/L: +0.47pts
PAST RESULTS:
Month 1 +6.94pts Profit (By carrying on)
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Friday 05th January
Going Native – SP – WON +0.95pts
RESULT: (USING 6pt PROFIT CAP)
Daily Profit/Loss: +0.95pts
Month 2 Total P/L: +1.42pts
Month 2 Total P/L: +1.42pts
PAST RESULTS:
Month 1 +6.94pts Profit (By carrying on)
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Saturday 06th January
Pressurize – SP – Lost – Lost -1.06pts
RESULT: (USING 6pt PROFIT CAP)
Daily Profit/Loss: -2.27pts
Month 2 Total P/L: -0.85pts
Month 2 Total P/L: -0.85pts
PAST RESULTS:
Month 1 +6.94pts Profit (By carrying on)
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Sunday 07th January
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Monday 08th January
RESULT: (USING 6pt PROFIT CAP)
Daily Profit/Loss: +0.95pts
Month 2 Total P/L: +0.10pts
Month 2 Total P/L: +0.10pts
PAST RESULTS:
Month 1 +6.94pts Profit (By carrying on)
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Tuesday 09th January
Red Infantry – SP – Lost -0.72pts
RESULT: (USING 6pt PROFIT CAP)
Daily Profit/Loss: -1.61pts
Month 2 Total P/L: -1.51pts
Month 2 Total P/L: -1.51pts
PAST RESULTS:
Month 1 +6.94pts Profit (By carrying on)
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Wednesday 10th Jan
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Thursday 11th Jan
Mister First – SP (Abandoned) Stake Returned) – No Bet Day
RESULT: (USING 6pt PROFIT CAP)
Daily Profit/Loss: -1.61pts
Month 2 Total P/L: -1.51pts
Month 2 Total P/L: -1.51pts
PAST RESULTS:
Month 1 +6.94pts Profit (By carrying on)
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Friday 12th January
RESULT: (USING 6pt PROFIT CAP)
Daily Profit/Loss: -0.47pts
Month 2 Total P/L: -1.98pts
Month 2 Total P/L: -1.98pts
PAST RESULTS:
Month 1 +6.94pts Profit (By carrying on)
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Saturday 13th January
Vivaccio – SP – WON +0.95pts
RESULT: (USING 6pt PROFIT CAP)
Daily Profit/Loss: +0.95pts
Month 2 Total P/L: -1.03pts
Month 2 Total P/L: -1.03pts
PAST RESULTS:
Month 1 +6.94pts Profit (By carrying on)
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Sunday 14th January
Tilly Trotter – SP – WON +0.95pts
RESULT: (USING 6pt PROFIT CAP)
Daily Profit/Loss: +0.95pts
Month 2 Total P/L: -0.08pts
Month 2 Total P/L: -0.08pts
PAST RESULTS:
Month 1 +6.94pts Profit (By carrying on)
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Monday 15th January
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Tuesday 16th January
No Selections
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Wednesday 17th January
Urban Soul – SP – WON +0.66pts (Recovered 50% of above loss)
RESULT: (USING 6pt PROFIT CAP)
Daily Profit/Loss: -0.66pts
Month 2 Total P/L: -0.74pts
Month 2 Total P/L: -0.74pts
PAST RESULTS:
Month 1 +6.94pts Profit (By carrying on)
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Thursday 18th January
RESULT: (USING 6pt PROFIT CAP)
Daily Profit/Loss: +0.95pts
Month 2 Total P/L: +0.21pts
Month 2 Total P/L: +0.21ts
PAST RESULTS:
Month 1 +6.94pts Profit (By carrying on)
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Friday 19th January
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Saturday 20th January
Daily Profit/Loss: +0.95pts
Month 2 Total P/L: +2.11pts
Month 2 Total P/L: +2.11pts
PAST RESULTS:
Month 1 +6.94pts Profit (By carrying on)
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Sunday 21st January
Daily Profit/Loss: +0.95pts
Month 2 Total P/L: +3.06pts
Month 2 Total P/L: +3.06pts
PAST RESULTS:
Month 1 +6.94pts Profit (By carrying on)
Wish in a well – SP – WON +0.71 (50% Loss Recovered)
Daily Profit/Loss: -0.71pts
Month 2 Total P/L: +2.35pts
Month 2 Total P/L: +2.35pts
PAST RESULTS:
Month 1 +6.94pts Profit (By carrying on)
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Tuesday 24th January
San Pietro – SP – Won +0.45pts
Daily Profit/Loss: -0.46pts
Month 2 Total P/L: +1.89pts
Month 2 Total P/L: +1.89pts
PAST RESULTS:
Month 1 +6.94pts Profit (By carrying on)
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Wednesday 24th January
Felisa – SP – WON +0.95pts
Daily Profit/Loss: +0.95pts
Month 2 Total P/L: +2.84pts
Month 2 Total P/L: +2.84pts
PAST RESULTS:
Month 1 +6.94pts Profit (By carrying on)
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Thursday 25th January
Crosse Fire – SP – WON +0.95pts
Daily Profit/Loss: +0.95pts
Month 2 Total P/L: +3.79pts
Month 2 Total P/L: +3.79pts
PAST RESULTS:
Month 1 +6.94pts Profit (By carrying on)
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Friday 26th January
Dream Mount – SP – Lost -2.34
Daily Profit/Loss: -4.38pts
Month 2 Total P/L: -0.59pts
Month 2 Total P/L: -0.59pts
PAST RESULTS:
Month 1 +6.94pts Profit (By carrying on)
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Saturday 27th January
Daily Profit/Loss: -4.63pts
Month 2 Total P/L: -5.22pts
Month 2 Total P/L: -5.22ptsPAST RESULTS:
Month 1 +6.94pts Profit (By carrying on)
Keep up the good work on both football and horse racing
Okay an intial loss on horse racing but it could easily have been the other way
Richard
Cheers Richard!
Just remember keep observing in a watching brief or small stakes for this one until wrinkles are ironed out.
Hi Andrew
I noticed that often your selections conflicted with the T O R method of laying horses so I chose to watch.
Your football draw service is outstanding…to date
Thanks Richard yes draw method going very well with short losing runs and only small bank required.
Hi
The horse racing lay strategy in the test pod area is this the same as little acorns
Hi Kevin, No this is not the same as Little Acorns totally difference set up. Cheers, Andrew D
Enjoying following the lays with small stakes to fixed liability of 3%.
Not sure how you can improve the loss recovery without risking that Sod’s law wipes out weeks of profit in one losing sequence.
YES please Andrew, do keep up the progress with this lay system – it’s very promising!
YES!
Whatever the selection method it seems to be holding up well so far. It has been interesting following it and even at very modest stakes (and I mean modest!) worthwhile. With such short prices & short losing runs some kind of recovery approach does have appeal. Thanks for your efforts.
Hi Andrew,
Like the look of this system, please look into a loss recovery idea for this approach.
Barry
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Yes please keep against the double going
YES please continue
looks very interesting, yes please
Yes please
Yes please, enjoy the look of this, a recovery plan would be good, thanks
YES PLEASE
Yes please
Yes Please !
yes please…
Looks like it has legs Andrew but a quick scan through of the past selections has left me slightly confused……especially when back bets started to appear!
Will watch with interest.
Yes Please
YES PLEASE
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hi.andrew.could.you.carry.on.giving.the.lays.also.could.you.tell.me.the.best.staking.plan,,
yes please , where can we see the daily tips , for against the double.
Hi Andrew,
Yes I’m following your testing of this system,
it will be interesting to see how it turns out,
successful I hope, so keep up the good work,
Yes please & good luck.
‘YES PLEASE’
YES PLEASE do continue as i think this is a really good system and well worth keeping up.
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YES PLEASE
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‘YES PLEASE’
Yes please
Hello Andrew, I have been keeping an eye on this strategy for about 5 weeks and so far it has slowly profited without providing any nasty shocks. As you say compounding winnings would help to increase any profit, but will take quite a long time to increase staking significantly. My personal preference is for your suggestion of adding a sensible loss recovery staking plan, this will have the effect of controlling losses and give the profit a boost.
Please continue with it as it looks as if it is a winner, but a little bit slow at present.
I would be interested to know if the selections are sorted by mandatory rules or are they arrived at by studying form?
Yes, please continue with the testing of this one
YES PLEASE. Have you tested this with the LA staking plan
Andrew and Les,Please continue with this test, it is easy to implement,easy to understand and profitable,It doesn’t get much better than this
Cheers Jaffa
Hello Andrew , I’m following this testing with great interest ! Please continue , as it seems to be exactly the kind of strategy that appeals to me , and it seems to be going very well . Keep it up !! Cheers
Hello Andrew. Iam following this method at the moment but as I have recently purchased little acorns and the quick on the draw have not yet used my own money. Please continue to evolve the method as I looks more than promising for future use. Dave Stevenson
Hi Andrew,
Re Against The Double. I have only just realised it’s existance over the last couple of days and just seen your comment about it. I think it is obviously successful so ” Yes Please ”
Many Thanks
Regards
Charles
Yes please, like the look of this.
Yes please.
Yes, Looks good 🙂
yes please
YES PLEASE
For me this is just perfect to run alongside QOD Please continue !
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A great low risk system for laying.
Hi Andrew
Are these two selections too close together( Monday 29th) . Surely there will not be time to lay the second race if the first should lose.
Bit confused on todays picks
cheers
Carla
Hi Carla, there was a 5 min gap between races and as the first one was a flat race then 5 minutes should be fine barring any hold ups which are rare anyway. If it was a national hunt races then there would have to be a bigger gap due to length of races..Cheers, Andrew D
2 horses now NR for 3.40 Chelm, are we still Laying Next Train ? with only 4 running.
Yes Arnold we still play races that have a non runner and reflect that in the results as there will be a rule 4 if late non runner
yes please
Looks interesting
Yes it is interesting Ray, do make sure you keep tabs on it!
Thursday 11 Jan is showing as a no-bet day as the race involving the first selection was abandoned. But, the second selection did run and was placed – shouldn’t this be shown as a losing day?
Hi,
No it would be a no bet day as the first race was abandoned. If the first race was run and lost and the 2nd race was abandoned then it would be recorded as a loss.
Regards,
Andrew David